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PPSMI, apa pendapat anda?

Post by Cikgu X on Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:40 am

First topic message reminder :

Berikut adalah gambar drpd suratkbr ttg demonstrasi meminta kerajaan
memansuhkan pengajaran sains & matematik dlm bahasa inggeris.
a) Apa komen anda?
b) Patutkan pengajaran sn/mt balik kpd bm?
c) Ya atau tdk, berikan alasan anda.
d) Berikan cadangan jika ada.


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Re: PPSMI, apa pendapat anda?

Post by JCJUE on Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:37 pm

ye cikgu.. kita sebagai orang bawahan nie kena ikut sajalah.. Tapi saya sedih kerana ia tidak di sambung. Saya cuma fikirkan masa depan anak murid kita nanti.. itu sahaja..

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Re: PPSMI, apa pendapat anda?

Post by sensei_sc on Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:49 pm

salam..

banyak dah yg dikaji baik n buruknya. sbnrnya isu ni terlalu subjektif dan adakalanya boleh menyentuh isu2 ketuanan bahasa itu sndiri. nak bincang dari sudut akal..mana2 pun boleh. masing2 pnya pndapat. tapi terfikirkah kita, pandangan y kita perkatakan tu merangkumi berapa % pljr di Msia?

ada pihak yg lebih bertauliah dan berkelayakan utk mnjalankan kerja2 mengira tu. cuma sdikit pndangan..jgnlah kita mnjadikan isu ini sbg perkara yg dpt mmcahkan kesepakatan kita sbg pndidik. sy percaya, stp prkara yg diputuskan telah mengambil kira keperluan semua pihak sama ada guru, ibu bapa, dan murid kerana ianya melibatkan masa depan negara.

apa yg pnting..harap kita bersama dapat menggembleng modal insan yg sdg dahagakan ilmu drp para pndidik tnpa mengira bangsa, budaya, agama dan keturunannya.

sayang selalu

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Re: PPSMI, apa pendapat anda?

Post by masshara mohammad on Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:25 pm

pada pendapat saya...
science dan mathematics perlu diteruskan dlm bhs inggeris...
kerana ia akan melatih pelajar bkn shaja science dan mathematics tetapi juga melatih pelajar mggunakan bahasa inggeris...
kita bknnya hendak memperkecilkan bahasa melayu..tetapi kebanyakan topik dlm science and math adalah dalam bahasa inggeris...jika ianya dimelayukan jadi para pelajar yang telah terbiasa dengan bahasa inggeris akan bertambah keliru..tidakkah kekeliruan tersebut akan menambahkan lagi jumlah pelajar yg gagal??
fikir2 kan la...

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Re: PPSMI, apa pendapat anda?

Post by sensei_sc on Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:23 pm

Pd sy..mana2 pun ok. cuma elaun kene tarik balik la kot... Rolling Eyes

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Re: PPSMI, apa pendapat anda?

Post by Cikgu X on Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:41 pm

yalah, mmg tiada elaun lglah, hehe...

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Re: PPSMI, apa pendapat anda?

Post by pu3 on Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:05 pm

pd pu3 elaun d tarik balik tu x kisah la...
yg penting keselesaan kita mgajar dan yg lebih penting impaknya pada murid...

stakat elaun 10% yg d terima tu x mbawa sbarang hasil skiranya guru masi sama mgajar murid dalam bm...

pu3: Sekadar pendapat.... flower

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Re: PPSMI, apa pendapat anda?

Post by sensei_sc on Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:57 am

Salams..
Hemm, menarik. Mengapakah sbnrnya imbuhan 10% diberi kpd guru2 ppsmi? Adakah dgn tujuan utk utk mmbuat byrn bulanan kpd kain ela baru..mmbeli brgn Tupperware @ dibuat byrn kutu?

Kisahkah kita kpd org yg mmerlukannya semasa keadaan ekonomi yg tdk stabil dan hrga brgn yg smakin meningkat? Kisahkah kita kpd rakan2 yg sgt mmerlukannya utk mmbayar yuran pengajian di ‘British Council’ atau kelas2 pengajian bhs inggeris yg lain bg memantpkan penguasaan bhs inggeris krn ingin memanfaatkannya d skolah? Selain itu, tahukah kita bhw imbuhn trsebut juga blh digunakan utk fotostat bhn pengajaran..dan juga menampung keperluan mghantar pasukan sekolah ke ssuatu pertandingan? Malah banyak faktor lain yg boleh dipertimbangkan dgn jumlah ‘kecil’ itu.

Mgkin ada yg tdk kisah..krn masih bkemampuan utk mnampung diri @ merasakan mmg tdk spatutnya menerima imbuhan trsebut krn mngajar sc @ math dlm bm. Perlu diingat, rzki yg diterima bknlah dtntukan oleh KPM. Ianya telah dtntukan oleh-Nya. Maka terimalah dgn berlapang dada dan bkn dgn mmperlekehkan rzki trsebut.

Suka sy mengingatkan diri sndiri bhw kesukaran kpd guru2 yg mengajar dlm bi tlh dtntuka olehNya. Maka wajarlah ckgu menerima kerana amanah yg dipikul..utk kita mengajar dlm bi dan bkan utk menaikkan nama skolah melalui peratus yg tnggi dlm upsr @ meningkatkan bilangan pelajar mperoleh A dlm sc n math dgn mngajar sc @ math dlm bm.

Dan bila dtentukan utk mngajar dlm bm..kita laksnakan juga wpun elaun yang dianggap ‘tdk seberapa’ oleh sstengah pihak akan ditarik balik. Heheh..jgn sedih yer…

Sekadar pndpt juga.

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Re: PPSMI, apa pendapat anda?

Post by Cikgu X on Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:04 am

bagus idea2 anda semua...
10% tu bukan atas permintaan kita guru2 sains tp atas pemberian kerajaan... kalau dr dulu ppsmi tiada 10% atau 5%, sdh tentu sekarang ini tdk timbul perkara kehilangan insentif akibat drpd pemansuhan ppsmi... malah saya yakin, kalau sejak dulu tiada insentif pun ppsmi tetap berjalan spt sekarang ini..

walaupun dr segi teori, elaun tersebut bolehlah digunakan utk tujuan2 spt tusyen & membeli buku2 bg memahirkan diri dlm bi, bgmanapun penggunaan duit elaun tersebut tetap hak kpd guru2 sendiri... apa mereka buat, terpulang pd guru2 sendiri... bgmanapun, sbg guru yg terlibat dgn ppsmi, sdh semestinya dan sepatutnya berusaha memantapkan diri dlm bi agar ppsmi dpt dijalankan tanpa banyak masalah... bgmanapun, hal ini juga setakat berbentuk 'teori', sdg praktikalnya hanya guru sendiri yg tau...

kita juga sedar banyak hal lain mempengaruhi 'prestasi' ppsmi... antaranya, bila pelaksanaan ppsmi sdh sampai ke tahun 6, keperluan bilangan guru yg banyak diperlukan... tp hakikatnya, tiada bilangan guru sains & matematik sebanyak itu... maka jabatan pelajaran menghantar guru2 lain spt guru BM menghadiri kursus etems selama sebulan dan kemudian selepas itu mengajar ppsmi... hal ini bukan terpencil lagi, malah saya percaya semua sekolah ada mengalaminya... bukan memperkecilkan guru2 bm tp mereka adalah guru bm, opsyen bm... bayangkan tetiba mengajar sains/m3, dlm bi... boleh bayangkan hal ini? Saya sbg guru sains, katalah disuruh mengajar muzik... bolehkah? ada yg cakap boleh... tp sebaik guru opsyen muzikkah?

dan ini hanya faktor2 kecil yg telah mempengaruhi keberkesanan ppsmi... dgn melihat kpd fakta yg dinyatakan mengenai prestasi ppsmi, adakah wajar ia diteruskan atau dihentikan? saya ok, anda ok, ramai guru ok kalaupun ppsmi diteruskan atau tdk... tp apa yg menghairankan, terdpt juga pihak2 yg tetap berkeras mahu ppsmi diteruskan walaupun hasil kajian jelas menunjukkan kegagalan ppsmi... saya tertarik dgn kenyataan cikgu mitsuko, jika kita berfikir utk diri sendiri, sdh tentu saya juga mahu ppsmi diteruskan kerana saya tau saya boleh membimbing anak2 saya dlm subjek ppsmi... tp bgmana mereka ibubapa yg tdk mampu?

apapun, sbg guru sains, saya akur bhw saya adalah di pihak yg walau apa sekalipun, saya perlu menurut perintah... dgn tiada bantahan... walaupun sekali sekala memberi komen setuju atau tdk setuju... ia hak asasi setiap manusia...

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Re: PPSMI, apa pendapat anda?

Post by pu3 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:01 pm

setuju dgn pendapat cikgu X tp perenggan yg terakhir skali tersangatlah setuju.... Wink


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Re: PPSMI, apa pendapat anda?

Post by sensei_sc on Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:33 pm

salam...

This was the statement given by then Education director-general Datuk Alimuddin Mohd Dom in Nov 2008 when UPSR was released:

“The overall Ujian Penilaian Sekolah Rendah (UPSR) results this year are better as compared to five years ago, with an increase in the number of students scoring all A's. Education director-general Datuk Alimuddin Mohd Dom said, of the 518,616 UPSR candidates, 46,641 or 9.2 per cent scored all A's, as compared to only 7.8 per cent five years ago.

He said there was also an obvious improvement in the number of candidates answering Science and Mathematics questions in English, whereby 159,234 students answered their Science paper in English as compared to 1,324, the previous year. He said 238,153 candidates answered their Mathematics paper fully in English. Last year, only 1,075 tackled the paper in English.

Alimuddin was speaking at a news conference to announce the results of the 2008 UPSR, Thursday. ”

Now Education Ministry is changing their story and said that PPSMI is a failure.

any comment?

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Re: PPSMI, apa pendapat anda?

Post by Cikgu X on Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:08 pm

betul tu cikgu... saya sendiri tertanya2 bila mula2 keluar berita tempoh hari ttg ppsmi ni... sebelum ini, dikatakan prestasi sains upsr meningkat... apa sdh jadi? mana berita yg betul?

ttg menjawab dlm bi, saya kdg2 terasa hairan juga kenapa hal ini begitu di highlight kan... pihak2 tertentu malah berbangga kerana bilangan murid yg menjawab soalan dlm bi meningkat berbanding mereka yg menjawab dlm bm... secara lojik, mahu atau tdk, sdh tentulah bilangan yg menjawab dlm bi lebih ramai kerana subjek tersebut memangpun diajar dlm bi... maka masuk akallah lebih ramai yg menjawab dlm bi... mgkin ada yg ingin menjwb dlm bm, tp tdk tahu membentuk ayat bm kerana dlm kelas diajar dlm bi..

saya terfikir, mgkin ramai pihak sebenarnya tdk faham ttg pengajaran sains... mgkin pd pendpt mereka, sains ini sama shj dgn subjek2 lain yg kalau rajin membaca, dgn mudah boleh menjawabnya... mereka tdk tahu menjawab bhg b memerlukan pemahaman & teknik yg betul... faham mcmanapun tp kalau tdk tahu teknik menjawab, akan gagal juga... hanya dpt score bhg A sjlah...

mgkin ramai tdk tahu yg mengajar sains bukan setakat mengajar mengikut sukatan pelajaran shj ttp juga perlu mengajar ttg teknik menjawab bhg b sains yg mmg sangat penting dlm peperiksaan... malah saya percaya ramai tdk tahu yg teknik menjawab bhg b tdk terdpt pd mana2 buku tetapi melalui kajian & usaha guru itu sendiri memahaminya. Dan inilah sebenarnya salah satu faktor kecil yg telah mempengaruhi ppsmi... saya sebelum ini adalah ketua panitia sains, saya sendiri ada melihat 'guru2 sains terjun' yg tdk menerima jawapan murid dlm bhg b semata2 kerana ayat jawapan murid tdk sama dgn ayat di kertas jawapan di bhg belakang buku rujukan. Kenapa begitu? Sb mereka tdk memahami teknik menjawab bhg.B sains... pd mereka, hanya 1 shj jawapan bg soalan, "berapakah umur awak?"... iaitu, "Saya berumur 12 tahun." Pd mereka, jawapan lain drpd ayat tersebut tdk diterima walaupun membawa erti yg sama...

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Post by pu3 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:22 pm

Cikgu X wrote:mgkin ramai tdk tahu yg mengajar sains bukan setakat mengajar mengikut sukatan pelajaran shj ttp juga perlu mengajar ttg teknik menjawab bhg b sains yg mmg sangat penting dlm peperiksaan... malah saya percaya ramai tdk tahu yg teknik menjawab bhg b tdk terdpt pd mana2 buku tetapi melalui kajian & usaha guru itu sendiri memahaminya. Dan inilah sebenarnya salah satu faktor kecil yg telah mempengaruhi ppsmi... saya sebelum ini adalah ketua panitia sains, saya sendiri ada melihat 'guru2 sains terjun' yg tdk menerima jawapan murid dlm bhg b semata2 kerana ayat jawapan murid tdk sama dgn ayat di kertas jawapan di bhg belakang buku rujukan. Kenapa begitu? Sb mereka tdk memahami teknik menjawab bhg.B sains... pd mereka, hanya 1 shj jawapan bg soalan, "berapakah umur awak?"... iaitu, "Saya berumur 12 tahun." Pd mereka, jawapan lain drpd ayat tersebut tdk diterima walaupun membawa erti yg sama...


yuppss btul tu... biasanya guru bidang terjun akan ikut sja jwpan yg dberi tanpa menerima pakai jwpan murid yg smemangnya mberi maksud yg sama... apa org kata "skema"?

pu3: hehehe pu3 pun pada awalnya macam tu... flower

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Post by sensei_sc on Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:24 am

salam..

Sentiments voiced over the past four/five days have generally reflected disbelief, disappointment, anger, frustration and despair at the decision to revert the teaching of Science and Maths back to BM. The decision has gone down well with certain groups of Malaysians and back-fired for another group of Malaysians (please visit the following portal for words from the horses' mouths: http://www.mysinchew.com/node/27004 ). But for the majority, the decision is certainly a bitter pill to swallow.

I'll not reiterate what have been said over the past few days but I have one strong wish: If the Government of Malaysia does insist on implementing the teaching of Science and Maths in BM, please start with Standard One pupils. Please do not touch those who are currently being taught in English. Please do not change horses, mid-stream. Doing so will create so much confusion to the studies of Science and Maths. Imagine being taught and having one's foundation built on English, only to face the concluding years and critical government exams with new terminologies!. A great deal of time will be spent trying to learn the translations of the facts rather than the facts themselves. Someone had aptly commented that this will kill any interest whatsoever the students have in Science/ Maths.

just an opinion. sayang selalu.

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Post by Cikgu X on Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:23 am

yes, i agree wth you my friend... they should only implement it to the year 1 pupils... if they implement the teaching of sn/m3 in BM to other classes, definitely it will confuse them all... if i'm not mistaken, the abolishment of the ppsmi will start in 2012... for year 1 and 4... also form 1 & 4... imagine what will happen to the year 4 & form 4 students... i'm sure it will confuse them a lot interm of terminologies because before that they already been taught and familiar with science/m3 terminologies in english only... and not in bm...

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Post by sensei_sc on Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:17 am

salam..

BTW, one has to remember that science is not a single subject. In Forms 4 and 5, Science is taught as Biology, Chemistry and Physics - each discipline having highly-specialised terms to describe various parts/ functions/ processes. Even the studies of Medicine, Dentistry, Pharmacology and technical subjects at the universities in Malaysia have reverted back to the English Language as the universities' administrators have seen the wisdom in keeping terminologies and facts in English. Apart from being able to access more publications/ resources worldwide (most which are presented in English), graduates can confidently meet their counterparts worldwide and have meaningful discussions/ collaborations as they speak the same "lingo". The same should apply to primary and secondary schools.

Malaysians must discard racial sentiments in this issue. This issue does not, in any way, trivialise the use of Bahasa Malaysia. As a Malaysian, I am proud of our National Language and to master its usage is crucial in preserving our language and heritage. Science and Maths can still be taught in English for practical reasons while still upholding the importance and value of the national language. Our country’s leaders should, therefore, not politicize the issue but take a hard look at the long term implications of teaching Science and Maths in English. One of the complaints in PPSMI is that the teachers and pupils are struggling to grasp the fundamentals of the language. But we have come so far in this attempt to improve ourselves, our country and our future. Can’t we all just persevere as we reach our goals? What happened to the spirit of “Malaysia Boleh”?

The Ministers of Education in recent years have strongly urged Malaysians to send their children to Kebangsaan schools, reassuring parents that Kebangsaan schools are at par with national-type schools and are equally as good as private/ international schools. With the reversal of PPSMI, it is clear that Kebangsaan schools will NEVER be at par with their counterparts. Students from Kebangsaan schools will always be education-handicaps.

We can only hope and pray that the Government of Malaysia will spare a thought for the future of our country and countrymen. Progress is not without struggles but if we persevere (and with God’s help), we, Malaysians, certainly Boleh!..

Keep smiling.

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